While this tactic worked very well at first and allowed to draw that many sellers in relatively short period of time, now it's time to think about buyers, as without them sellers will start to starve. TS staff do their best and is not responsible for the strategic choice of TS Hi John, you made very valid points. You are clearly one of the professional buyers who doesn't take advantage of the system but there are so many out there who do that and 3D sites are beginning to try to safe guard their artist's work by not making it so easy to just get everything you want for free. Better for who? what you say doesn't make any sense because CGTrader has a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all models as far as I know. Turbosquid bites the hands that feed them: Brittney Briere, Sep 18, 09:53 SST: Thanks for sharing Your experience and thoughts. A rig is like a skeleton of a 3D model, which lets you move and pose it with little effort. You can just buy and return it if it is not to your satisfaction. Let me explain - I like the look of the models here, but the site is even designed so end users, like me, can't even download more that 10 "free" items unless they've uploaded models of their own, written tutorials, posted topics to the forum (which is difficult if you're not an actual modeler) and/or jumped through about 1,500 other ridiculous hoops to get enough "reputation" points. In my experience often times a client will ask for certain models but then one must take into consideration what computer specs they have because you don't want your client to get frustrated with the models you buy. Regarding response time, i respond to my buyers within 10 minutes unless im in bed and someone from other part of the world is trying to reach me. Get this item for $ when you bundle it with the items in your cart. TS removes this rating. Which is good, since we are the ones who will bring in the profits. A own store where you can fill your offers with stuff found in the large pool would account for a thumbs up for the people hoes products get placed in those stores. http://rebloggy.com/post/art-copyright-turbosquid-infringement-kouotsu-ip-theft-kouotsu/34732573054 In my country you have to be adult to do bussines and legal stuff. Anybody else suffered the same blows to their sales in the same months as the web updates? Same for me, here. Turbosquid just has it backwards. But at the same time they require all rights to the model, and the model is removed from sale at all sites. If a model you like does not have a suitable file format, be sure to see whether the designer offers free file conversions for the model. I got a bunch of scanned statues sold for 3D printing, some sci-fi characters that are obviously copyright infringements because made from movie licences, and, at the best, less than 1/2 of original characters models, many of them not being displayed because of "adult content". Matt Wisdom describes Turbosquid as "a sort of Ebay" when in fact Turbosquid works exactly the same as classic "supermarket providers" where the reseller profits the most from the producers by keeping them totally apart from the customers. I agree that these two parts - CG and 3D printing should be split at least externally/ visually. Site itself must have significant changes to make it more attractive and more convenient to buyers, especially big buyers. The same goes for student projects. Search Filter Free products only Discount Formats Free products only Reset filters Free That is very strong argument in favor of CGT, but then again, don't you think that corporate client would rather choose to get support from team of profesionals that are available 24/7, than from unknown person, who might respond with big delay or not respon at all? Thor (Rig) for Maya 15. And in terms of openness and freedom CGTrader is the first. Despite offering models much cheaper (obviously) here than at TSquid, the clients prefer to buy on TSquid. its hard to run such a business so i hope cgtrader will survive in the future. https://garagedoorrepairnewportnews.com/garage-door-spring-repair/, Hey, What makes Cg-trader better than Turbosquid? I'm about to bail on this site now - unless I can find any other topics that I might be qualified to post toapparently if I'm friendly enough I can earn some points, but it's seriously unlikely that I'll find any topics to which I can actually contribute. We state our opinions based on verifiable facts and stats, which is one of the most interesting parts of this thread. Its great way to compete and fair . Money rules! Typically, large corporate buyers, they find a way to contact me even and on TS and make an offer on a specific project. Plus giving much higher royalties, instantly paid, much better support, publishing system, etc. If I narrow to "man", it's even worse : 64 out of 128 models displayed are scanned 3d models. If CGT wants to play big and attract high quality traffic and designers/buyers, it has to invite the sellers to opt for a more mature approach in my humble opinion. For example, I ran into this this morning. [quote]2. Brittney just 2 years ago still existed. So here on CGt I could have just asked the buyer if he would be interested in that sort of deal. you should check out all the posts about 3D models quality. NoneCg I've read almost all your information regarding the public issues. Hello, Sure, but I won't rinse and repeat the whole uploading process if it happens though. Hmm, i went to your profile and i see no negative feedback. Cgtrader really goes above and beyond with the customer service side of things. To my repliers: Escorts jaipur Having too many high poly models in 1 scene can considerably slow down rendering times, work flow and even crash your computer making the entire scene unusable. Like when something breaks that is no longer in production like your favorite mug or something. CGtrader might have better conditions, rules and everything but it's useless if it doesn't attract more buyers. When pressed, Turbosquid could give no clearer specification than "it is too similar". The rumour that they can "borrow" models for check-out before buy to particularly trustworthy clients could also be true. You are just providing a platform." This is my principle decision . We are writing to inform you that we are taking your content offline for 60 days as you have continued to change your prices to be higher on TurboSquid. It still remains a puzzle to me, were those few now actually using their CGt account because there was no other way or did I just lose those and just gained some new clients from somewhere ells? We will rather stick with cgtrader and know our models are safe, although the issue with finding CG models on the site is a little problem, but as long as they stay honest well be supporting them rather than supporting a bunch of thiefs and if we need to up our prices then so be it. CGtrader has already surpassed Turbosquid in every Rank, and it has +1 million visits too: https://www.similarweb.com/website/cgtrader.com/?competitors=turbosquid.com, If anything buyers should get lots of points for buying. I see no point in closing when you might as well keep it open and get a couple sales. AFAIK buyers right to be refunded is protected by law. [google7|http://www.google.com] They already sell 3D printers on amazon so it isn't a far stretch to just add the models in the suggested items that go with 3D printers. I think I like the another item the modeler has created (Modern Villa), but that item is $40. It is also wise to invest in good ideas that are future proof. "that is where the big money can be", being able to part with an invention has value. Chat with Support 24/7 Not artist friendly at all, from uploading to statistics (Model views, downloads, and so on). Without checkmate Turbosquid would have gone out of business. Then someone ells will just create another CGt alike and Ts would have to keep buying these places ones a year, and after that it would have to buy them every month. Better for who? Due to its royalty politic and complex registration process, I've finally stopped selling 3D models on TS. Turbosquid has a horrendous up-loader Buyer can contact seller directly, which can save him/her lot's of time and frustrations. I think I do a decent job at earning my keep.. And yes, it this is like if shapeways started doing cg. Maybe CG Trader should consider a large add-on to the site, where the customers can click a link, and go to a whole new site (owned by cg trader) that does sells strictly 3d printable models :) Just an idea :). The biggest problem with TS is that it is a pyramid scheme if you have a diamond account you have a good chance of selling models but at the low levels you have no chance. From buyer perspective, i think CGTrader also have lots of advantages. Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). Maybe they have a much deeper interaction with the clients? I'm a bit afraid there's always going to be issues that leaves this community divided, leaving CGpeople with a platform not able to live up to its full potential and leaving 3D print people with a platform not living up to its full potential either. TurboSquid. Most people say you get more sales at Turbosquid than any other 3D marketplace, so even if you get a much lower royalty % in the end you get more money, and while this is true up to a point (NOT x80 sales in any case), what most people don't realize is what happens IF your products are NOT in Turbosquid but you continue to sell in other marketplaces and have a bit of patience. Login to PayPal to add your account as a payment method. It's sad cgtrader promote only printing models and forget about regular models. For me CGTrader is the best and CGTrader has the best structure of a 3d site !!! To me this was a sign that people know about CGt and that users have at least two accounts. I have to agree. And also because of the complete isolation of the seller-buyer. Many do not search the net, they go directly to TS and search there for models. By registering you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use. Gritsuk : Hello Friends, glad to present you my model Female Hand Realistic. Sketchfab.com-------------------------------. That is true, but im talking if buyer is already familiar with existence of CGTrader, he can reap all the benefits then. The next thing CGT needs to do is get in with Ebay, Amazon, walmart etc places where everyone buys not just 3D enthusiasts and that regular people trust with their money. If anything buyers should get lots of points for buying. It also seems to me like CG trader is looking out a lot more for the artists. Well, after a long search, I found a negative point from CGTrader compared to TS. How about the Royalty Rate??? http://content.screencast.com/users/Lenwe/folders/Default/media/96a1c5f2-d18b-4e5c-ab3c-01bd5189b9ca/TurboSquid_Monopoly.png former the 3d studio, 3D export, creative crash and Turbosquid). Got my model (https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/furniture/cabinet/handles-vol-01-pbr) This is a photorealistic high-quality 3D full-body scan female character, rigged People SixPack 003 - Photogrammetry Population Character Rig, max blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, City People x500 Static Poses Lowpoly ArchViz, 20x LOW POLY CASUAL ELEGANT SITTING WOMAN MAN PEOPLE CROWD, Realistic White Male and Female Head Bundle. I'm just an end-user, one of the people you guys sell to, and the site is a large part of the issue, in multiple ways. I am getting more sales on Cgtrader than TS though :P and CGtrader is easier to use. Female 3D models Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. Do not forget to check out rigged vehicles, guns and other objects, including environments, in addition to rigged characters to increase the control and interactivity you can achieve in your project. I tried to contact the buyer several times with no response. In this case a collaborative action could be established to make the product more attractive. The conclusion seems, that clients are either more familiar with Tsquid, or that TSquid offers something else that is so valuable that even a much lower price doesn't matter. In my understanding, for CG models, there are three main trends : large public with various expectations and low budget (roughly, poser people) ; professionals needing a good quality model quick and ready to pay for that (roughly, TS buyers), programmers wanting to create video games in search of game ready assets. Batman (Rig) for Maya 10. . Some may look great for close ups but in a large environment scene or house setting when you have a lot of models to let's say show off the interior design of a model home you need to be very careful on poly count. If any of you think this is a show of strength from Matt Wisdom and his Corporate brother Andy, think twice. I have it is about 5%. Is it fair if I do? So then people can actually customize and make cool toys and sell them on there. ;). Hey there, You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. (just playing with ideas here) I think this computer graphics industry just needs a well known and established hub specific to our profession, and one that is being run with good core principals like we see it here on CGt. in the name of freedom expression of the buyer (???). Site issues? I will very much want to peruse. So in this case you could say we are the asses and there's lots of us so we form a huge ass and CGt can place many chairs for us to sit on ;-) for someone that is a little more unique. Comment goo's like this, quote "Awesome model, converted this guy over into maya and he looks great" end quote. Hi adentonclark, I can see how 3D modeling and 3D printing can be connected, but even that has to have a clear border for the customer. "This is new era, time of old fashioned corporatism is going to be over. According to TS "Marmoset Toolbag's watermark" is an overlay and a no no. IT'S A WASTE OF TIME. Best of luck to cg trader, they have a great business model and site, it is just going to be incredibly difficult to take any of the market share from such a well established company. Since then, I think the design has gotten much better, especially the separation between regular CG and 3D print, and the search algorithm seems also to be much more efficient. They may not end up following your ideas, but they will certainly take them into account. (These stats can be confirmed as true by CGtrader staff, we have no problem with that). It's all fine and CGT rocks the socks off the competition. (e.g. I think John Hoagland already pointed out very well the most direct benefits of doing business with Cgtrader over Turbosquid. You have to realize that TS is recognized by autodesk and even had a direct tab link to their site in max itself. They recently changed their search engine over there and when you search for Free models it comes up with a few free ones and many more paid ones so from that perspective Turbosquid makes your life even harder lol. Think about the kind of treatment you can expect from these soulless corporate hacks once they can play their monopoly game again. Market your products turbo squid does that for you i understand but if your trying to sell you have to show the customers where its at. See ourPrivacy Policyfor more information. I was ,,Diamond ,, since 2008, they stole items and they never gave me the money . etc Yep.. I'm probably leaving this site for good, but it won't be because of you guys - it's because of the site itself. I was 2 times victim of credit card fraud on Ts, never happened on CGt so far. Royalty rate of CGTrader allows the seller to make a model cheaper than on TurboSquid. First of all make great and spectacular models for it and promote it on forums, facebook, linkedin groups and forums. patna Escorts Service Turbosquid is butt ugly and greedy, I hope when CG gets bigger than TS, they don't end up the same way. I've often (not just at this site) downloaded "free" items to verify their quality before purchasing models from a vendorI had problems with 3-4 of the "free" items I looked at first here (having no idea there was a limit), and now I can download no more. I like the deposit proposal of flat_3d, but jet again it probably best be part of a repertoire of marketing tools the designer could choose from, not a global policy. Yes, buyers has free will to express their opinion about model, but in case of negative feedback such opinion should be reasonable and motivated. Anyway, there is still some ocasional Turbosquid fanboy that bashes CGtrader and promotes Turbosquid in public forums and social media while writes this in TS forums at the same time: when the same type of issue occurs on CGTrader, the Staff policy is to do nothing. CGtrader website is much bather coded and it just need some time to get on top. - Limiting, perhaps, the number of objects that can be uploaded in a row, to avoid having the front page confiscated by a single seller when ticking the "newest" filter. Then I contacted Eduardas and Mantas who refused to remove the rating, So just to be constructive (and this will be my last post here, because I don't want to hijack the thread anymore, here are some ideas : @captainmarlowe Thanks a lot for a lot of valid points regarding search and categorization! They did so by making products that looked so much cooler than PCs and people were fooled and then eventually they made so much money that then they kept putting back into the product and eventually came out with the Ipad which even all Apple haters love. You can just buy and return it if it is not to your satisfaction. This industry really needs a giant hub were al CGpeople (weather young and inexperienced ore diehard veterans) can communicate, learn, trade, fundraise and collaborate. You have to choose a category to get a refresh. Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. Besides how about your right to fair trade? Let me explain - I like the look of the models here, but the site is even designed so end users, like me, can't even download more that 10 "free" items unless they've uploaded models of their own, written tutorials, posted topics to the forum (which is difficult if you're not an actual modeler) and/or jumped through about 1,500 other ridiculous hoops to get enough "reputation" points. Payment Method It is the best RR in the world ! I don't get paid until the 3rd, but I thought I'd download some things, look at their quality, fill up a cart and get prepared to purchase when the money comes around. An important factor for many buyers is the possibility of cash transactions in the system WebMoney. $300 + (280) $200 to $300 (315) $100 to . I have always been amazed at how TS can pull off their selling stunt, I've got better stuff AND cheaper on here than on TS but the sales over there totally dominate. So good luck "shopping elsewhere" dear customer, this is turning into a monopoly slaughterhouse and a 3D warzone. Yes CGtrader is great! In short I propose an integration of global search ore collections made by designers. ", then there is little one can do but wait out the rebalancing. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. We'll let you know about that soon - all CGT sellers will receive via email, so stay tuned! I don't get paid until the 3rd, but I thought I'd download some things, look at their quality, fill up a cart and get prepared to purchase when the money comes around. Saied this couple of times in the past, leverage the difference in royalty to provide a slightly better offer over here, otherwise customers hoe have a Ts account will see no need to make one here to buy same model for same price. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. CGtrader is just better in all possible ways. Then came price guarantee on Ts and now I had a problem, the part I was now successfully serving on CGt I would not want to risk losing back to Ts, nor would I want to lose those few that kept buying my higher priced models there. Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. And some may post a part of a set, and ad a link to the complete set, others may just do it to spread their work and name, etc. That basically says paying customers aren't allowed access to supposedly "free" items. and we lived the evolution of Turbosquid from being a pioneer of the 3D assets market working alongside the real content developers to become a typical corporation with financial backing from angel investors that only cares about financial results and is trying to strive the 3D market towards a monopoly where they can control both the producers and the customers, where acting as just a middleman gets Turbosquid the most profit from both. Thanks again guys, and let us know if you have any further comments or questions. This concept is not new and it seems to work well over here (http://market.envato.com/) CGTrader has the better platform from my point of view, better rates if i remember correct. I think this game can only be won by the best community building force and that is CGt. But for the rest i do like the way cgtrader functions, more royalty rate, easy uploading and a community forum and job board. Plus, as I saw in another post, turbosquid does not let you post any links. Why should the artist suffer? I can think up multiple scenarios to try get a grip on it but I don't actually care anymore. This would allow genuine potential buyers to check the quality of models. I believe this would solve the 'bad content mixed with the quality models' problem. Maybe they would understand that sellers can't be treated as slaves. Open a Support Ticket, Licensing questions?Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager. So that is why sites like Amazon are making a fortune. You could say CGt is a service platform that harbors and connects sellers and buyers of specific digital goods, in theory there's no limit to how much people and their digital products/services they could connect. I stumbled across the same issues! Here is a quick test that can help understand why there aren't so many buyers. Animated Lion 3D Model 14. Same for me, here. the only thing that has cgtrader extra is the freelance job posting area. Basically just like Turbosquid has done they have become the one stop shop for everything. I used to hate how it would crash constantly or find that half way through the process even after saving a draft,suddenly the poly count numbers or other text, numbers etc suddenly got erased. Being an artist himself makes a huge difference in this regard. No overt similarites in armor designs, guns, vehicles, naming- nothing. We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. Respect and good luck to everyone who is here! Bangalore Escort They said fraud protection is only reserved for exclusive sellers. That is a serious problem because it means a whole lot more work for sellers and I wish they would just get with the program. Honestly, who wants to buy nudes anyway? A battle is going on right now, and some top sellers are going full #SquidClan with a custom deal from the Wisdoms: a 5-6 digit $ amount in instant cash now as an advance of a 2 year exclusivity deal, plus a boost of their royalties at the expense of all the other "non-top" sellers at Turbosquid that won't be getting any offer from Matt Wisdom. Cgtrader cannot compare to certain 3d markets. CGtrader staff admits to some degree to this problem (see the comment of Dalia Lasaite) and promises to redesign the homepage. If you look at the traffic statistics, TS ranks around 9k top sites, and CGT at around 42k, so obviously, people buy more at TS not because they want to spoil the sellers, but rather because they don't come to CGTrader enough and their first place to search is TS. Just my opinion, but look at homepage. Payout fees are just fractions of percent, not worth to consider. I deleted my products here and joined sguild again, no reason for staying here. I left the turbosquid from Diamond level . On the contrary, comparing 2013 to 2014 for the exact same period (January to August) our sales INCREASED in a 45%. It takes way too long to put up any files. For example, make affiliation partnerships between people/storeowners possible. The longing to justice is something that cannot be eradicated, the hole of human history shows that clearly. They simply do not get the idea that Turbosquid is just another reseller for the real product developers, and Turbosquid management and "rules" promote exactly that. [Lighthouse12](http://lighthouseapp.com/ "Lighthouse12") I can't download that lamp and see it's quality myself - so why would I purchase anything from the creator when I don't know if I'll be satisfied? CG Trader. This use is prohibited if the virtual world-type is an open MMO, like Second Life. Search is arguably most important feature of stocks and search in TS is head and shoulders (and then some more) above search in CGT. Dear adentonclark, Cheap and free models are killing cgtrader. It certainly is an interesting read all together, thanks for documenting it so well and make the whole thing public, although I hope you don't stay embarked on a power struggle whit Ts management. Like time spent on searching models or ability to get profesional support 24/7. The people at the top of the pyramid scheme bully all the new modelers who show any sales success because they barely scrape by as it is so it is really bad work environment to work for Turbosquid is not worth your time. They have more traffic so i'm told. CGT needs to get on Amazon a.s.a.p or partner with all the top leading commercial comps in order to make 3D more interesting to more buyers. Cubebrush. google3 High hopes for Cgtrader. Also, the problem comes from the sellers, not the site designers, for a large part. Of course if you are buying models for the next Transformers movie the poly count won't matter that much because those models may be 500,000 each and you have almost unlimited resources to run those. What, iterateCGI goos down? Thanks iterateCGI, from the start we thought it will be best to expose the issues publicly, so other cg 3D sellers can see for themselves what they are exposed to when dealing with Turbosquid. But now, I'm exploring a new platform which is Sketchfab. They bring answers to your problems or requests quite fast and in a very convivial way. That thing is just getting started ;-). This market is changing rapidly and Ts is not adapting to the evolution of connectedness within the global CG community. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/cgtrader.com, https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/exterior/landmark/notre-dame-de-paris-cathedral-61d97afb1b1a62861673c23f15b75c12, https://www.facebook.com/ActiveKetoGummiesAustraliaWebsite. From moment I have enough things to sell here, I would come clean with myself and close my TS account with great pleasure. With only a few days on CG trader, i can already see it is miles ahead of turbosquid. So, Ts will probably have a few thousand lawsuits to issue in following months if they like. If a company like Disney or NASA buys a model at TS, they advertise it as "Turbosquid customers buying Turbosquid models". flob3d: I don't know if Jonathan invented the CheckMate, but what I can say is that Jonathan is a good professional and he often helped me a lot, so I have no complaints to make. tax on top of a high 60% that TS keeps. And if the buyer sees one and the same model on CGT and on TS, then the price will choose on CGTrader On top of that they have so many odd restrictions and hoops you need to keep jumping through just to make your model visible and people end up having to buy diamond accounts because they know they won't sell a single model unless they do. Another point in favor cgtrader is that the royalties and buy a model possible in the payment system WebMoney. We made this limitation to protect our designers from leechers who download hundreds of free models and then try to monetize them in some other way. - Fixing some guidelines to upload quality models (at least assuring that obj models, for instance, if textured, should have a proper .mtl file, limiting the models to quads/tris, imposing materials and textures to have understandable names, etc. This is a totally separate "operation" that is going on under the acquisitions of CGstudio and T3DFM, which serve also as noisy cover to "wag the dog". Having a direct link/communication is also critical in detecting possible needs and potential new business. That is the most important reason for them to be on CGtrader and it is essential to reward them for helping artist and the site earn money. I think there needs to be a more valued motivation ($) in order to get people rank in great numbers consistently. Thanks once again! In other countries like China film production is far better funded so perhaps CGTrader could try opening it's doors to Hong Kong film studios etc Japan is also far better funded and in fact Turbosquid is also selling models on the Japanese market. Machines have already replaced people making their jobs irrelevant in many fields already more and more customer service jobs have become automated, many store sales positions now are not needed because so much is being done online, the tolls on the highways now only use fast track or you get a letter in the mail telling you to pay it because there is no one in the booth anymore so you can't pay it on the road.