I dont know if its in a garage, or the shed, perhaps? At this point, they dont even have enough for an arrest. If he is a poser, which is the worst of the worst, and he has a transport company, that gives him carte blanche to move around in committing more crimes of this nature in different parts of the country as he travels. The accusation is that she knows something or knows way too much and is covering for someone, presumably the killer. Theres no woman among them. The sketch of the younger man is the catfish of the 19 year old boy used to lure in Libby from Snapchat. $20/lifetime membership. It is now learned that he was arrested on two counts of murder, however, officials said the case is far from complete.. DELPHI FBI Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were "moved and staged" at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents. We all go through shit in our lives, but if she wants to stop making enemies, she can stop picking fights. DELPHI - The year 2021 should be filled with cap & gowns, graduation parties, and college choices for Libby German and Abby Williams. Apparently neither girl was a virgin and both girls were sexually active in terms of PIV sex. Because that is a deer kit around his waist. It is important to note that the validity of the text messages has not and cannot be corroborated at this time. Want to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? There are 3 most common reasons; to thwart the investigation, for the shock effect on the finder and the investigators of the crime scene, or for perverted pleasure of the perpetrator. He has pleaded not guilty to the charges. I want to be respectful to someone who is innocent until proven guilty also. Any context? As you can see, the numbers are the same. The few times Ive brought him up myself (this is really on Reddit) I have been ripped apart for my apparent stupidity. It says at one point apparently Machine Operator as a title, but then the vid definitely makes it a point to focus on Christian Teen Club. Not sure what the implication is there, but one can certainly imagine. Or wet sneaker. 21:06 GMT 30 Oct 2022 Person of Interest is a much higher standard than unnamed suspect, and he hasnt even risen to that level yet. In a press conference on Monday, the state police took the first step towards providing justice to the brutally killed juveniles. Im a retired homicide detective I know what Im talking about. Hes a straight man with a wife, but maybe hes wimpy like a lot of straight men are. Derrick German: Libbys father, meth dealer, convict who served time in prison and supposedly ratted people out to get a lower sentence. However, this early searching meant that he could use his lost my keys excuse as a reason why his car just happened to be parked for 18 straight hours soon after the crime and right above where the girls were found because he could say the next day that he lost them during the previous evenings search. I love true crime and listen to a bunch of podcasts and books. There is 0% chance they have anything anyways. The girls bodies were discovered on his . The release of the search warrant comes several months after Indiana State Police announced that they were investigating a fake online profile called anthony_shots in connection to the case. What? We have an LE source, a detective in Indiana, who told us just that. Known facts about the personal life of the main suspect, Mr. X.: Residence history: Unknown for first 18 years, possibly Illinois. Although the exact murder weapon is redacted in the warrant, Body Bags host and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan told Grace that the killer likely used an edged weapon, given the amount of blood found at the crime scene. Otherwise why do we have religions? So you try to make it look like theres an accident. Why did Mr. X not drive his truck away when it was in the way of all of the police cars? It is interesting to note that the Evansdale girls were also abducted on the 13th. Employed at two factories in nearby towns as a machine operator in recent years. He could offend today in say, Ohio and offend in Illinois and be in his journey back home to commit more offenses. The scope of this investigation in terms of who the police think did it and how it unfolded has been dramatically narrowed. The investigators do believe that the suspect either lives or works in Delphi, Ind. Nevertheless, as you can see above, three things that we spotted in the crime scene photos have been verified by independent sources in the search party, so the fact that these are crime scene photos is now proven. Twice they were wrong. Police found the girls lifeless bodies a short distance from the bridge the following day, near a trail close to the bridge. Didnt he at the time live down the street from Logan? A girls hand wrapped around a knife which was plunged into a log that she was resting her head on. LE asked him to move the vehicle. I think the girls met up with BG somewhere on that trail before they got onto the bridge. They were folded on her chest. So Id just as soon stop looking at him as a suspect. There are cases like this all over the country. Kline is being held in jail after being arrested on separate child porn charges in 2020. Investigators believe the man is the killer. LE would also be interested in anyone who may have helped Mr. X after the crime, perhaps burning evidence or whatever. He could have even confessed to me, but I am still not under obligation to tell the cops. Thats technically true but in all my years of playing the part of a PIO and putting out press releases, Ive never intentionally told a lie. The suspect has since moved back to North Carolina, and young women have begun to disappear from the trails there now. We do indeed have documents from the case. San Francisco's ultra-luxurious Four Seasons Residences sells just 13 of its 146 apartments, as street crime and drug abuse are blamed for deterring prospective buyers including Steph and Ayesha Curry, Top female cop is SUSPENDED without pay for 120 days by New Orleans' Police Department after she was 'caught filing timesheets while doing private security work'. Good ones and bad ones, perhaps, but theres no such thing as legitimate versus illegitimate. There are fields behind his home! If the killer had that weird and I would assume rare fetish with the sticks, branches and stakes, maybe the local sex workers may know exactly who it is? I guess I also wonder how everyone put such and effort to look only a few hours after being missing. Much more on that below. In the Delphi case, a signature could be very evident if both victims . Of course Ron Logan didnt do it. Kegan Kline cannot be involved either. Unlike any other sleuthers, we have determined the main suspects in the case, have a good idea of what happened during the crime and what the crime scene looked like, and have recently figured out the motive. The girls hand was wrapped around the knife to make it appear that she was stabbing herself. The Delphi murders are a bizarre crime that has sparked nationwide attention. Its true by process of elimination. She feels he is a current POI who is working OT to divert attention away from himself and mislead the public. Do the searchers who found the bodies know if they were posed? Hence, none of his DNA from the forest around the girls is usable. Both of these people were probably ragers before, so its not like they did a U-turn. You made a mistake my friend. Thank you! Via LE Source A, LE has a main suspect in the Delphi Murders, Mr. X, and the case is focused on him. Because of the nature of the victims wounds, it is nearly certain the perpetrator of the crime would have gotten blood on his person/clothing.. The Reddit sites are pretty useless too, mostly because most posters regard the best sources on this crime as false. I guess Im not sure when he graduated. Last, I want to bring up RL and the dirty hand LE dealt him throughout all of this. This grainy image was taken on Libbys phone on the trail the day the girls went missing. No, at least not in this case. Five years later, Abigail Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were taken into custody Friday five years after Allen, 50, was found dead on a hiking trail in Delphi, Indiana, in February 2017. And I appear quite harmless, too. I am a retired Detective Chief previously responsible for the Criminal Investigation Department and all of the 80 plus detectives within as well as a senior investigative officer with experience of leading murder enquiries. Im nothing at all like how they describe me. We believe that his truck got towed later on when his wife never showed up with the keys, that Mr. X searched Ron Logans land that evening with two other men, and that he left his truck sitting in that same spot for 18 hours until the next day when the bodies were found. Abby was the one that had the boyfriend. He was the right age, but he doesnt look like BG. . Why would we do that? The others are guardians. A police chief in Martinez accused the man of committing these crimes, and the man sued the city and won $50,000. He was 18 in 1984, so we figured he graduated that year, but maybe he graduated in 1986 when he was 20. By the way, whats a legitimate journalist? Whats a illegitimate journalist? Theres no such thing as either. There would have to be some sort of connection to Mr. X for me to suspect him, and I dont see any as of yet other than odd behavior in searching for the girls. Sexual age orientation: Pedohebephilia, nonexclusive, AOA 8-14. Allen's lead defense attorney Brad Rozzi did not respond to a request for comment and fellow attorney Andrew Baldwin declined to comment. I dont know what these names mean. I ask this because another theory says they could have gone up the creek to a barn and then they should have dry clothes. Something to think about. He was one of the original witnesses who saw BG and gave a description. It was stated that Libby was nude. This just doesnt bode well for him, I mean ESPECIALLY if you consider that he asked to search the Logan property and came up empty-handed. I guess one thought about the cops searching for videos, and I dont know the specific wording but could it be they are looking for businesses or residences that have security cameras? No, he came up with the lost my keys gambit to explain why his car sat at the cemetery from 6:30 PM the day of the crime to 12:30 PM the next day when the girls bodies were found, a period of 18 full hours. There are men going down on this all the time all over the US. Kelsi German has been cleared. Long, 22 pages. Well, hes the right age anyway. Its an understandable reaction, but theyre not pleasant to be around. Thanks Dee. The bodies were found on property belonging to Ronald Logan. You cannot keep your own story straight. But now we have an excellent regular LE source close to the investigation giving us regular updates, the best LE source weve ever had. Hes innocent. What would be Mr X reason for leaving them there? Correct. We also dont know what he was doing searching down there that night. Just another character who got caught with CP. Ok how on Earth do they know that BG shot 43 seconds of audio unless that rumor about sending the crime film to the phones is true? You learn which rumors have promise and which have not panned out. However, the other three have only peripheral involvement and may have committed no crime! They have most recently stated that they want to avoid double jeopardy. . If he is wearing Indiana Packers workboots, this solves one more question. LE thinks he stashed his phone at the CPS building during the murders. She still hasnt been able to process this, assuming such a thing can ever be processed. John Miller, 63, was arrested in 2018 for the 1988 cold-case rape and murder of 8-year-old April Tinsley. We would say it is low. Affidavit gives new updates on Dephi murders The March 17, 2017, affidavit sheds lights on the crime scene. Important friendships: Very casual friend of Mike Patty, father of one of the girl victims. Background to the Delphi Murders On Monday, February 13th, 2017, at around 1 pm, Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off near the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana. We are very worried that the police may be trying to pin this crime on Kegan and Tony Kline and we know neither one is involved. You had mentioned in one of your blogs not being sure what he did for a living. These guys are mostly narcissists and they dont believe in cooperation. Even if somehow she didnt know about some surrounding neighbors, couldnt LE just show her (or FSG or the bickering couple in the park etc,) a pic of Mr. X and get verification that way? Libby was apparently enthralled by this profile, Cain said. Lets hope they find some peace. This seems to be one of the motives for the homicide. If the early rumor is true, and Abby was posed fully clothed as if asleep, it might indicate some remorse or "undoing" by the killer. Makes no sense at all. Great to see you back on the case! I hav followed both cases very closely. The gun jammed, which Garrett said is common. On the day the girls went missing, Libby had posted photos on Snapchat of her and Abby walking along the trail. The police cant prevent private citizens from searching on their own, and its my understanding that many did. The behavior of LE throughout the entirety of this case is, to put it as nicely as possible, questionable, and to state the truth, just plain stupid. Holder has an alibi that he was working out at a gym at the time. I also have to disagree with you about your criticism of the police for calling off the search at 3 AM. Forget it. Delphi eighth-graders Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were killed on Feb. 13, 2017 while walking on a local hiking trail. They just accept everyone as long as you say youre straight. Bruce was noted for having a similar stature to the man seen in the Delphi video, and also wore similar clothes during his St. Louis crime as the man in the video Libby and Abby took. If so, wouldnt the coroner be able to obtain DNA from the fetus? This girl was refusing to get an abortion that he wanted her to get. They dont risk their careers to talk to bloggers. Thats very embarrassing. But all theories must be judged against their competitors (Occams). We have almost no information about the cause of death or what the crime scene looked like. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I would like to email this , as it is not particularly relevant to the comments on this page. I cant demand that my friends give me money! Furthermore, homicide is the most serious thing you can charge anyone with. Is that also speculation? Are we making up lies about getting information from police when we actually have no contacts with them? Then he needed 2-3 months of therapy to work through this traumatic experience. Wait so the part about him recording the crime is some search warrant given to someone where the cops wanted to check media files? Ive been angry at LE today regarding this case. BG made a deep cut to the throat of one victim, probably with a hatchet, that resembles the deep cuts made to the throats of pigs at some slaughterhouses. Im leaving it at that. IMHO there is a main suspect, and I dont really care if everyone is pointing elsewhere. Also note that LE are now acting like they think the young catfish did the crime, not the older BG. The Monon High Bridge trail attracts hunters, fishers, campers and kids hiking or just taking photos of the popular spot. See below for which rumors we believe are proven and which are unverified. Im not sure I understand what covered means. A lot of my comments have been deleted, not at my discretion. Cookie Notice Liberty "Libby" German, 14 years old, and 13-year-old Abigail "Abby" Williams were both perfectly normal and sweet teenage girls. The girls bodies were discovered on his property - just1,400 from his house - and it was revealed over the summer that his alibi for the day of the murder did not line up. In the documents we have, it is openly stated that BG abducted the girls at precisely 2:13 PM. He concurred that a high error rate is normal early in the investigation and he also said that by 4-5 years later, you may well get a much clearer picture of the crime. I want you to know that your comment is no longer there. In fact just based on what I have going on, researching this case is the absolute last thing I should be doing, but its drawing me in, and I cant help it. Im curious if Mr X knew KAK or his father? I am thinking that maybe which ever one was pregnant may not have known. Also, I dont know what to make of this. Unverified. The two dates are perfect reversals of one another. I do not feel comfortable answering that question right now. This has been misrepresented by doubters as the scanner saying to let Mrs. X into the sealed off area because shes bringing Mr. X his keys. He even brought his phone in and took it apart to reveal the GPS device in it so they could look at it. How do you know he had a deer kit and how many knives he had? Despite a lack of evidence, investigators have not given up hope that they have caught the suspect. See, Im not like how they say at all, am I? This family member may maintain a different surname, by generation, but they are in fact, related! He is said to have admitted talking to Libby German using a fake Instagram profile called Anthony_shots. Deer kits have five knives, so we assume this one does too. But many questions still remain around the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14. The gun is a rare collectors item, possibly a .40mm. (WISH) Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were "moved and staged" at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents obtained by I-Team 8. Dime a dozen. Also, the props were put at the scene later too, perhaps after the girls were killed. Remember that they came out with a pair of boots? Shes also written a book and is aware of my coverage. The dots connecting back to Iowa with the Tyson plant etc is great investigative work. Mr. X not only discovered the bodies, but he ran away in terror afterwards. Apologies if this has been covered here before, but the rumor that Libby was found shirtless and nearly decapitated and that Abby was found still clothed and posed with her hands folded, does anyone know exactly how it originated and if there is anything circumstantial to back it . There appears to be no mention of the Delphi murders or any information linking Kline to the case. Mr Kline allegedly told investigators he would use social media accounts to talk to underage girls and had exchanged messages with and received about 100 sexual photos and about 20 sexually explicit videos from around 15 underage girls. However, it is still not clear that Mr. X did this on his own or if someone helped him. The main suspect is brazen, openly admits to being a pedophile, goes to the victims graves and leaves flowers, and visits the victims families to offer solace for their losses. See the sort of games these guys play? How bout taking it to heed, everyone? He has connections with current LE officers. Pay no attention to the first sketch, which looks like a middle aged man, Mr. X. Furthermore, when people say that I, Robert Lindsay, have no sources, no documents, on and on, please keep something in mind. Idle speculation at its finest. He has a prosthetic foot due to diabetes, and no way could he high-tail it across that bridge. There is a rumor of a falling out between the two men at some time before the crime. Keep in mind that we are not claiming that anything listed below as Unverified is true, although some it has a good chance of being true. Germans sister Kelsey tweeted early Friday: Just know how grateful I am to all of you. No comments for now, any questions please refer to the Carroll County Prosecutors Office. Did the girls have wet clothes where they were found? There is also the possibility that the act itself created the impression of posing when in fact it was not. All of the speculation about their final moments is unconfirmed. Also if Kegans not involved, then neither is the father. Yes, I think Mr. X did this crime. Apparently he planned this abduction to occur at precisely this time, which is shocking. Another reason he stayed is we believe that he enjoyed the drama. The photo shows Brittany Zapanta, 28 - the daughter of Richard Allen, 50, on the Manon high bridge in the woods outside Delphi, Indiana. How do you join and can you join as a European? He was very fearful and it really hit him hard how he got treated on that Reddit sub. Garrett said it's possible that the gun jammed and the killer turned to another weapon. Thanks again for the interesting and jaw dropping article!!! 24/7 coverage of breaking news and live events. Calling off the search the night the girls went missing was a really, really bad choice. How do I do this? Why would they NOT want to look for those types of things in a child murder with likely sa involved? Indiana State Police said in February they knew who killed the girls, but that they had insufficient evidence to make an arrest. Indiana Packers workboots go up to knee-high, and they are waterproof. Of course we don't know how the bodies were found and if they were posed or staged, we only know that the crime scene was unbelievable disturbing and horrible. I tend to think that it goes deeper than only Mr. X being involved though. Marital status: Married, rocky and tumultuous marriage with breakups where they go live on their own and later get back together. By that I mean that he probably has offended many times but being transient affords one the luxury of not getting caught. She was found in an ivory/white dress. The authorities have been purposeful in not disclosing much information about the Delphi Murders. Join the best Delphi sleuthing group of all! Also how about this? But many questions still remain around the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14. At 13 and 14 the cycles are messed up bad. Anything that shows they crossed the creek that evening. It is an open case so anything else you want to know look and maybe you will find. Hmm . I have no idea why shes doing this, but its not because she killed her own sister. However, these are all unconfirmed rumors. As this continues to be an active and ongoing investigation, the Indiana State Police will continue to provide any and all resources available to assist in the prosecution of this case.". The victims, according to the warrant, didnt have any defense wounds, but some articles of clothing were taken from them and removed from the scene, while the killer placed the victims bodies in what investigators called a staged manner. My money is on an edged weapon. Which begs the question, if Mr. X is BG, how did he come to acquire a pair of Indiana Packers boots, which is what he appears to be wearing during his crime? She was being potentially catfished by this person, who, of course, looked nothing like and was nothing like what he portrayed online.. Then come email me and I will send you a link to the private group and a password to get you in. We wrote an article a while back pointing out that we felt Holder was innocent, and that set off a spate of hate mail and threats from him and his son, which we found odd. People are saying this is a coincidence, but apparently LE does not believe it is coincidental. There was a knife sticking out of the log next to one girls head. This would explain how he could control two teens from running away as well as using a fake gun and badge. It is on the girls cellphones, but if you listen to it, you will just hear a bunch of unintelligible garble. Want me to put it up anyway? If one of the girls was pregnant, was the pregnancy a result of intercourse with Mr X? was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details. This lines up nicely with Leigh Kerrs testimony where he said that BG used binoculars in this crime. Empiricism is a thing. A lot of my friends didnt join. As if her murder itself wasn't mysterious enough, the case would see twists, turns, and dead ends along with mysteries within the mystery. Detectives said that after the photo was taken, a man approached the girls and apparently told them to go down the hill.. Old Abigail Abby Williams. We believe him. Top 3 Legends of All Time in Soccer America, Top 3 legends of All Time in Hollywood in America, Top 4 Major Cities in America of All Time. If its who I think it is, you can tell her I said that. It was all over by 3:30 PM. I believe that came from the leaked DE texts, and I would really like to know if that has ever been confirmed by anyone in LE. People really seem to take him at face value and think that because he is older, hes not capable of committing such a crime. Deals with gruesome matters concerning the brutal sex murders of four female minors mostly about two young teenage girls aged 13 and 14 but also a bit about related murders of two little girls aged 8 and 10. Do you know why FSG was there at the trails; how long hed been there; how he got there; if he drove, what sort of car he drove and where he parked it. I 100% agree about Mr X, and I recently seen a pic of his stepson which I think looks similar to the YBG sketch. Is there any meaning to these numbers or is he just playing sneaky, tricky games with us like these guys often do. Then that's no "grudge"., That's called pure evil. I see T. Neighboring state. They think he did it. The police have put a .40-caliber weapon into the case," Garrett said. Phallic objects, specifically a log and a doll, placed next and perpendicular to the genitals of the girls to give the impression that they were being sexually penetrated by these objects. Today we will Discuss about Delphi murders: Crime Scene| Press Conference Update| Bodies Posed. Point is that he may have never had ceased offending. So Mr. X did not ask him to search for his keys, he was officially asking to search for the girls according to ol Ronny boy. Based on investigators experience it is reasonable to believe that the creation of an alibi prior to the discovery of a crime indicates culpability or knowledge of the crime, the agent wrote. Does he say where he thinks they were found, if not 50ft from the water? Finally, after five long years, the Indiana State Police has charged a 50-year-old local man with the Delphi murders of two teenage best friends, Libby German and Abby Williams. The pre-trial hearing in this case is to be held in January. Mr. X is married to BP sister which makes him Libbys uncle not blood relatedheard it somewhere on the Net it would be easy for you RL to check that out . This makes absolutely no sense at all. Highly suspicious and the states that are responsible are more interested in getting into pissing contests as opposed to finding her. Our best police source just told us that Ron Logan has been absolutely cleared as a suspect. Not everyone was tied lipped, there were some rumors and messages on sm. Very hard to really tell anything a lot of shadows from trees and debris on ground. Updated: 17:37 ET, Nov 29 2022 A BULLET found near the bodies of murdered teens Libby German and Abigail Williams tied suspect Richard Allen to the horrific killings, according to new court documents. White scarf covering the lower half of his face. Mr. Lindsay, I don't see much in these, but there is another one that def looks like a body is posed, but the jury's out.