Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. Hmm, I cant think of a better word to describe the workings of the IFB! My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. 5 Hypocrite! We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. Just because we forgive people doesnt mean we are obligated to marry them or anything else. We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. They had made an idol out of church attendance. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. I dont agree with the term, sowing discord with the brethren because I agree everything what the Bible teaches. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). Only the KJV will be used in this group; Wow. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. If you believe that perfection is something to strive for and/or attain this side of heaven,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) We believe his power is supernatural, yet limited; and that he cannot act without the permission of God (Job 1:6-12; I John 4:4). Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. I had no idea that I, as an IFB, might be guilty of these things. Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! 4. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. I had my part. Baptists do not believe that baptism brings salvation, but rather it is the answer of a good conscience toward God. Im not responsible for how its perceived. [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. G. M. Matheny. Praise the lord God made salvation a gift, or I probably wouldnt have received it. Such as??? As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. No, thats silly! If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. OMG! (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. Yes, I have countless emails and comments from people who were ready to give up on their faith until they read this site and realized that the IFB was in error not them. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? This is an assumption.. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. 9 And dont address anyone here on earth as Father, for only God in heaven is your Father. Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. Should we stay living together with our baby in fornication? Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. There I am separate does that mean Im never going to curse, or think negative thoughts. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? If your church as at least 2 Revivals per year, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. Hypocrites! The last pastor I had, at Mountain, would yell sometimes on his sermons to make sense of humor since most of his sermons were pretty funny but never pounded the pulpit. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! You hurt the cause of Christ regardless your intentions and you should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you think this is the proper way to obey the two commandments the Lord Jesus said were the most important. 22. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. Plus they pray to the saints. Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Hypocrites! We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the Bible, as it is in truth, the Word of God (I Thessalonians 2:13). 2 Timothy 3:16-17 The churches that teach certain things unrelated to scripture, are a result of what the Bible calls IN THE LAST DAYS. In the last days, people will leave their first love, just as you have left YOUR first love, probably because of a pastor, an arrogant church member, or maybe because of your very own relationship with God, a relationship that is lacking. The two are completely unrelated. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. 9. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. God works in mysterious ways. Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. I am also against body piercings as well. These are right on the money! If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. We believe that all the saved should live in such a manner as not to bring reproach upon their Savior and Lord; and, that separation from all religius apostasy, all worldly and sinful pleasures, practices and associations is commanded of God (II Timothy 3:1-5; Romans 12:1, 2, 14:13; I John 2:15-17; II John 9-11; II Corinthians 6:14-7:1). We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). So spontaneous but like it was planned. We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. lm 8:4-9; Colossians 3:9-11). The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. We told to get married. I was sincerely disappointed. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. Correction is my discernment. 27. Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). It is awful that they put the rules and instructions of their mythology ahead of their love for You wont go in yourselves, and you dont let others enter either. Yes, we have strife and faults and hypocrites. Come and join. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. Great job adding a bit of levity! He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. I truly dont understand this one, ha! For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. This list are things that are unique to the IFB. Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. 30. I dare say it would be the one you enjoy making fun of. If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! No member shall 34. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Do I believe he punishes no, because Ive gone without tithing and had no awareness of punishment, but when I do tithe I find blessing of increase in physical and spiritual goods. 5. They are already spelled out in the Bible. 29. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. WebWARNING!!!! We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. Ive addressed the scriptures about tithing in my article and explain it using proper exegesis and hermeneutics. All people need to do is humbly ask for one. 19:13-15. [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. 51. My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. Oh yes, and he forgot the most important, essential factorrelated to KJV reliancevirtual ignorance of and illiteracy in biblical Hebrew and Greek!!!!!!!! Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve 7 You hypocrites! Its about Jesus. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist Jesus forgave me and Im going to choose to forgive others regardless if they want it. The church never knew our problems but god did. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view.